tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3931921496989071942.post2235356037636475947..comments2023-06-08T07:32:39.725-05:00Comments on Aristotle's Feminist Subject: Jesus Identified with Women around Wayne GrudemJ. K. Gaylehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07600312868663460988noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3931921496989071942.post-47708027854825646822011-07-08T06:05:54.173-05:002011-07-08T06:05:54.173-05:00Theophrastus - you are right; hadn't read Rod&...Theophrastus - you are right; hadn't read Rod's analysis until you provided this link. Thank you. <br /><br />Wow. Here's Wayne's world of writing with the male-oriented details erased! Look how "human" (a quotation of Wayne from Rod's blogpost):<br /><br />"In cases where the ordinary <b>human</b> personality and writing style of the author were prominently involved, as seems the case with the major part of Scripture, all that we are able to say is that God’s providential oversight and direction of the life of <i>each author</i> was such that <i>their</i> personalities [not <i>his</i> personality], their backgrounds and training [not <i>his</i> background and training], <i>their</i> abilities [not <i>his</i> abilities] to evaluate events in the world around <i>them</i> [not <i>him</i>], <i>their</i> access [not <i>his</i> access] to historical data, <i>their</i> judgment [not <i>his</i> judgment] with regard to the accuracy of information, and <i>their</i> individual circumstances [not <i>his</i> individual circumstances] when <i>they</i> wrote [not when <i>he</i> wrote], were all exactly what God wanted <i>them</i> [not <i>him</i>] to be, so that when <i>they</i> actually came to the point [not when <i>he</i> actually came to the point] of putting pen to paper, the words were fully <i>their</i> own words [not <i>his</i> own words] but also fully the words that God wanted <i>them</i> to write [not the words that God wanted <i>him</i> to write], words that God would also claim as his own."<br /><br />Now the TNIV and the NIV 2011 (sounding just like Wayne, the mortal human with male details erased):<br /><br />(2011 NIV) John 14:23 Jesus replied, "<i>Anyone</i> who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love <i>them</i> [not <i>him</i>, and we will come to them <i>them</i> [not <i>him</i> and make our home with them <i>them</i> [not <i>him</i>." (same as TNIV)J. K. Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07600312868663460988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3931921496989071942.post-382174503964107632011-07-07T22:51:37.111-05:002011-07-07T22:51:37.111-05:00Kurk -- it seems you have not read Rod Decker'...Kurk -- it seems you have not read <a href="http://ntresources.com/blog/?p=1219" rel="nofollow">Rod Decker's analysis</a>. (I am going to post this comment on your other Wayne Grudem post too.)Theophrastushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04981876713019298465noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3931921496989071942.post-31940114959662830992011-07-07T19:40:47.456-05:002011-07-07T19:40:47.456-05:00Kristen,
You make a good point. If one pressed th...Kristen,<br />You make a good point. If one pressed the masculinist logic of Wayne Grudem, then he himself would be excluded. He and the CBMW men are pushing for "male-oriented details," but how specific would they really want to get? The biblical descriptions of Jesus's physique, his physical body, could actually exclude the Euro-American men of the CBMW. And his Jewishness in all its manifest detail leaves them behind. Good thing for them, it's the humanness of Jesus that the biblical writers key in on.<br /><br />Bob,<br />What sort of progress do we see in the Psalter? Well, your translations are just beautiful! What is a mortal? and a child of dust? That does take us back to the garden, to the beginning. And then the personal, the parenting of G*d is so very apparent in your line, a mortal child that you devised it. Thanks for coming over here and sharing those lines and the links back to your complete translations of Psalms.J. K. Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07600312868663460988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3931921496989071942.post-74983193166100972792011-07-07T19:08:00.342-05:002011-07-07T19:08:00.342-05:00Psalm 8 and 144 here are quite different even thou...Psalm 8 and 144 <a href="http://meafar.blogspot.com/2010/08/psalm-144-set-me-free.html" rel="nofollow">here</a> are quite different even though they might make a frame for the Psalter. <a href="http://meafar.blogspot.com/2010/07/oh-psalm-8-right.html" rel="nofollow">Psalm 8</a> is positive in comparison with 144 where the writer immediately goes on to futility.<br /><br />Here's the quick view of these verses as I have currently - I'm not very good for those religious folks.<br /><br />What is a mortal? for you remember it!<br />and a child of dust? for you visit it!<br />Yet you fill it just a little less than God<br />and with glory and majesty you crown it<br />You give it reign over what your hands make<br />all - you put under its feet<br /><br />and 144<br /><br />יְהוָה what is this humus that you know it<br />a mortal child that you devised it<br />humus like futility<br />its days as a shadow passing away<br /><br />What sort of progress do we see in the Psalter?Bob MacDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11335631079939764763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3931921496989071942.post-72094451908362338252011-07-07T14:41:17.940-05:002011-07-07T14:41:17.940-05:00Thank you, Kurk. That was most helpful and enligh...Thank you, Kurk. That was most helpful and enlightening. I'm really glad that the most important thing about the Incarnation is that Jesus became human, not that He became male.Kristenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08252374623355509404noreply@blogger.com