tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3931921496989071942.post2362680084997872736..comments2023-06-08T07:32:39.725-05:00Comments on Aristotle's Feminist Subject: If Your Body's Sexed Female, Where You Can't Study or TeachJ. K. Gaylehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07600312868663460988noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3931921496989071942.post-31992788233763773622010-03-06T06:56:25.528-06:002010-03-06T06:56:25.528-06:00Jay, Thank you! You make us think hard and suspic...Jay, Thank you! You make us think hard and suspiciously for hope. <a href="http://speakeristic.blogspot.com/2010/03/if-your-bodys-sexed-female-which-bible.html" rel="nofollow">You inspire me to start responding more fully here</a>.J. K. Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07600312868663460988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3931921496989071942.post-20065614920526568142010-03-05T20:07:45.736-06:002010-03-05T20:07:45.736-06:00Thanks again. Perhaps if we can truly see a redemp...Thanks again. Perhaps if we can truly see a redemptive hermeneutic as W. Webb proposes there is hope. The question remain in my mind, is Paul taking steps forward when he refers to women as his co-workers or is he sliding back when he advises that a woman submit to their head as the church submits to Christ. At least Paul had female co-workers. Jesus certainly broke some barriers in his actions towards women, but he didn't select a women to be one of his twelve. If Peter wrote the letters attributed to him that instructs wives to refer to their husband as lord, had he gone forward from his Pentecost message or was his view just inconsistent like so many complementarians who claim that women can prophecy in the church but must still be retained under one who has the right kind of organ. I just would like to see that if we can find evidence to be hopeful in the Christian scriptures that the Church would be a leader in this campaign rather than a brake.Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12509596389764649667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3931921496989071942.post-34150026007736280652010-03-03T11:25:58.516-06:002010-03-03T11:25:58.516-06:00Jay,
Thanks again for pressing me. Would you per...Jay, <br />Thanks again for pressing me. Would you perhaps agree with me that Hélène Cixous may be on to something when she writes "écriture féminine"? Of course, she's writing this "originally" in 1975 but I think there's hope in this methodology. In other words, there's something incarnate needed when approaching a (gynophobic, misogynistic, phallogocentric) text. If "egalitarian" views are born out of anything more abstract than bodies (sexed), then I'd agree that they're suspect. No, I don't want to essentialize here or even to be mysterious. I do think a woman's perspective on a text that marginalizes her (because of her body) brings an authority to the text. Somehow (maybe subconsciously even) I think Aristotle got this when he leaves out of his canon of "rhetoric" the "art" of "listening." He wanted to deny the ones he wrote about (i.e., females) the right to read what he so (ostensibly) objectively wrote to his male-only students. Krista Ratcliffe has done some work on this in recovering "rhetorical listening." And Jacqueline Jones Royster gets at the problem in her essay, "When the First Voice You Hear is Not Your Own." When an expert (i.e., a white male) has more privilege writing about an "other" (i.e., a black female) than she herself does, then there's little hope at all. However, women through the ages, at each point in my timeline on this depressing blogpost, have not been silent. Our present-day histories of these females may have silenced them. However, even when Moses and Paul and Peter were writing to men about women - there were females there listening and reading (and writing). Some (many?, well certainly some) had hope. And then there are men (i.e., Jesus) who certainly let silenced females (i.e., mixed-race and dark-race women and prostitutes and adulteresses and daughters and sisters and mothers) speak up and speak out. These men (i.e., Jesus) allowed a recovery of texts (i.e., Genesis) by declaring things like "but it was not so from the beginning" and "whoever is without sin let him..." and so forth. That's a long answer. It's terribly complex and a tad over nuanced. But there's hope. What do you think?<br /><br />口香糖,<br /><br />谢谢您!我们可以随时了解更多:<br /><br />防人之心不可无J. K. Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07600312868663460988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3931921496989071942.post-34375474524359021782010-03-02T22:02:59.373-06:002010-03-02T22:02:59.373-06:00Since you seem to have more hope than I in the wri...Since you seem to have more hope than I in the writings of these messengers of the early church, could you share some reasons you find to have this hope. I am afraid I have pushed the interpretation of some of these writings too far in effort to support my egalitarian view. I have no apology for my view, but I am a bit concerned about my integrity concerning the interpretation of these writings.Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12509596389764649667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3931921496989071942.post-39469763173232800532010-03-02T15:19:32.889-06:002010-03-02T15:19:32.889-06:00There's always hope, isn't there Jay? Tha...There's always hope, isn't there Jay? Thank you for the comment.J. K. Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07600312868663460988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3931921496989071942.post-13077491180444125972010-03-02T09:14:09.300-06:002010-03-02T09:14:09.300-06:00This is really a depressing list. Can you not giv...This is really a depressing list. Can you not give any hope for the situation around 50 AD.Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12509596389764649667noreply@blogger.com