tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3931921496989071942.post237617762527154276..comments2023-06-08T07:32:39.725-05:00Comments on Aristotle's Feminist Subject: Men Around the Top of the HillJ. K. Gaylehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07600312868663460988noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3931921496989071942.post-28326939506895475042011-04-05T07:19:00.194-05:002011-04-05T07:19:00.194-05:00Thanks for reading here, Nate! Thanks even more f...Thanks for reading here, Nate! Thanks even more for sharing with us the fruits of your research on the poem. (You helped me find it <a href="http://www.csupomona.edu/~jvgrizzell/best_practices/cliffs.htm" rel="nofollow">here</a>.)J. K. Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07600312868663460988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3931921496989071942.post-44631526451138042932011-04-04T22:27:31.850-05:002011-04-04T22:27:31.850-05:00I enjoyed your post and was intrigued about the po...I enjoyed your post and was intrigued about the poem that was referenced. I looked it up and found it:<br /><br /><i>The Fence or The Ambulance</i><br />by Joseph Malines<br /><br />Truly an excellent poem. Also, I somehow deleted your blog from my feed reader and only added it back just now when someone linked to this post. Looking forward to reading you again. ~ NateNathan Stitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00506272374727904953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3931921496989071942.post-3984100079981497702011-04-04T12:54:54.057-05:002011-04-04T12:54:54.057-05:00>Kristen, Thank you.
>Katherine,
Thanks fo...>Kristen, Thank you.<br /><br />>Katherine, <br />Thanks for commenting, for sharing so candidly your two personal stories. Your conclusion, "I suppose all of these are trivial, but...," is powerful, and your question here is quite a challenge. Listening isn't trivial and is so very necessary.J. K. Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07600312868663460988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3931921496989071942.post-35511877057765445132011-04-03T11:55:58.370-05:002011-04-03T11:55:58.370-05:00It all seems to come back to listening, doesn'...It all seems to come back to listening, doesn't it? Or just paying attention in a broader sense. I mean, the way some dismiss things by saying it's "just" blogging, or it's "just" the Bible, or it's "just" women's issues is another way to say "this isn't important, so I don't have to bother listening".<br /><br />I actually don't comment on many blogs, especially many biblioblogs, so I can't say much to that. But this post made me remember two different stories. One was one of the men who taught regularly in my youth group who was very much into stories and how important and meaningful they can be, which made it great to discuss movies and books and such with him. My sister and I asked him about a movie that had come out that we had all seen, and he said he was bored and didn't find it meaningful because all the main characters were women, so he couldn't relate. I also remembered a review he wrote of a book online where he expressed surprise at enjoying a "chick lit" book because even though it was all about women he found it interesting and actually cared about what happened. I also recently saw a discussion on one of my college acquaintance's facebook page where he talked about how much he liked the TV show "Angel". When someone asked him if he ever watched "Buffy" (which came before it and from which the latter is derived), he said he didn't "need" to bother because it was all about girl empowerment. <br /><br />Like blogging, I suppose all of these are trivial, but I hear the message over and over that they don't need to listen to anything remotely about women, since it doesn't concern them. But, if they don't ever listen, how are they ever going to hear us saying "Please stop, you're hurting us"?Katherinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00574613265955035061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3931921496989071942.post-72633820511973414042011-04-02T21:21:32.185-05:002011-04-02T21:21:32.185-05:00I'm pleased and honored to be counted among yo...I'm pleased and honored to be counted among your friends who call you Kurk.Kristenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08252374623355509404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3931921496989071942.post-81924093481774164852011-04-02T21:02:16.474-05:002011-04-02T21:02:16.474-05:00Thank you, Kristen. I'm glad you are using yo...Thank you, Kristen. I'm glad you are using your name, because you can, at blogs like this one. It's too bad but understandable that you use a not-female username at certain other blogs where being identified as a woman changes how you are treated. Believe me, I understand. Many have thought that J. K. Gayle (which is my name) is a woman, and treat her differently than when they understand later that this blogger (me) is a man (a Mr. Gayle). Would you feel free to call me by my given nickname, Kurk? It's what all my friends call me. (I do understand, and respect very much, the use of pennames and pseudonyms, especially for blogging. The need for privacy, for protection of agency when readers are sexist or racist or classist can be very important. The objectivising that many do can be subtle or blatant, but always, in my view and expericences, just horrible.)J. K. Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07600312868663460988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3931921496989071942.post-85996919970036987202011-04-02T18:11:54.257-05:002011-04-02T18:11:54.257-05:00Thank you, Mr. Gayle. I know that there are certa...Thank you, Mr. Gayle. I know that there are certain blogs where if I post, I post with a username that does not identify me as female. When certain bloggers know I'm female, the way they relate to me changes. I don't mind it when they speak a little more gently, with a little more awareness that I have feelings. But there are many times when what I have to say becomes less important, more easily dismissed, because I'm a woman. On a blog like this one, there is no need to hide the fact that I'm female. I appreciate that.Kristenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08252374623355509404noreply@blogger.com