tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3931921496989071942.post610951122203937508..comments2023-06-08T07:32:39.725-05:00Comments on Aristotle's Feminist Subject: Better Bibles than those of Jesus or other JewsJ. K. Gaylehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07600312868663460988noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3931921496989071942.post-65771063257814693732010-04-05T15:57:42.059-05:002010-04-05T15:57:42.059-05:00Fair enough, David. But, just to be clear, you ar...Fair enough, David. But, just to be clear, you are talking about the Jesus who spoke in fables (i.e., <a href="http://speakeristic.blogspot.com/2010/02/black-comparisons.html" rel="nofollow">parables</a>) the way Toni Morrison did when she gave <a href="http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/literature/laureates/1993/morrison-lecture.html" rel="nofollow">her lecture</a> upon receiving the Nobel Prize in Literature in 1993, aren't you? And you're referring to the same Jesus who often used the mashal (i.e.,<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mashal" rel="nofollow">parables</a>) the way Naomi Graetz would do to find ways of<a href="http://www.amazon.com/CREATED-FEMINIST-RETELLINGS-BIBLICAL-STORIES/dp/159333057X" rel="nofollow"><br /><i>Unlocking The Garden</i></a> and of telling <i><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Unlocking-Garden-Feminist-Jewish-Midrash/dp/1593330588" rel="nofollow">Biblical Stories</a></i>, aren't you? And you're bringing up the same Jesus who might, with Rachel Barenblat (who so nonsensically calls <br /><i>her</i>-self the Velveteen Rabbi), re-views the violence in Holy Scripture, especially <a href="http://velveteenrabbi.blogs.com/blog/2009/03/the-end-of-esther.html" rel="nofollow">the ending of Esther</a>, as perhaps a parable (and not always so clearly "real"), aren't you?<br /><br />You are not pretentious, in my view. Hope I'm not in your either. I do think that a focus always (and only?) on clarity in the biblical (or even in the gospel's) message makes translation propositional and impositional in ways that the Bible (and the Gospel) is not. I do think that much of the logic of linguistics for much bible translation today is neo-Aristotelian and (at best) neo-Platonic (i.e., trying to use communicative pragmatics via "relevance theory") when Pikean linguistics worked just fine. The feminist labeling is so, to me, disparaging. But I think to women and others marginalized it also works just fine. I do hope this makes some sense, David. I hope we're not reducing the conversation now to a binary such as EITHER straightforward only-clear non-redundant "sense" OR nonsense.<br /><br />(And Bob, I'm glad you're speaking for yourself. I'm not sure I'm always making the same meaning of comments that you commenters here do.)J. K. Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07600312868663460988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3931921496989071942.post-41627628989182838592010-04-05T15:12:40.698-05:002010-04-05T15:12:40.698-05:00Bob was ambiguous and impolite - you can assume he...Bob was ambiguous and impolite - you can assume he is the one without ears. But I would disagree with your comment on pretentious nonsense if you intend to apply it against the equality of women. Jesus does not find it either pretentious or nonsense. Your nonsense I won't speak for, brave soul. You can talk to Hashem about it just as I can talk to him about mine.Bob MacDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11335631079939764763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3931921496989071942.post-77413871150147179402010-04-05T14:55:08.788-05:002010-04-05T14:55:08.788-05:00Not sure what Bob means there...
Thanks, JK. I th...Not sure what Bob means there...<br /><br />Thanks, JK. I think Jesus would oppose the pretentious nonsense of feminism just as heartily as he did the pharisees' of his time. And my nonsense too I suppose.David Kerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13140007604009678479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3931921496989071942.post-34053196936832827682010-04-03T07:35:22.317-05:002010-04-03T07:35:22.317-05:00Bob, thanks for the comment always. You inspired ...Bob, thanks for the comment always. You inspired me in a post this morning to focus a little more on the "ears / hear" phrase and its trnaslation.J. K. Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07600312868663460988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3931921496989071942.post-71451975213762051922010-04-02T11:00:30.464-05:002010-04-02T11:00:30.464-05:00I scanned a few of the recent posts. I had wondere...I scanned a few of the recent posts. I had wondered why I wasn't getting them any more and then I remembered I deleted the feed from my reader. Ears but hear not. They don't have my 'no' any more on their posts.Bob MacDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11335631079939764763noreply@blogger.com