tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3931921496989071942.post7591660589152862088..comments2023-06-08T07:32:39.725-05:00Comments on Aristotle's Feminist Subject: Lucy, you've got some 'splainin' to do!J. K. Gaylehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07600312868663460988noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3931921496989071942.post-89229544365453728462008-04-30T20:35:00.000-05:002008-04-30T20:35:00.000-05:00Strident and saucy is rhetoric, David. Thanks for...Strident and saucy is rhetoric, David. Thanks for visiting again. Yeah, I love the idea of reading more of what we're doing (I've got the wiki too for translation). And yes let's talk about possible collaboration. Fun!J. K. Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07600312868663460988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3931921496989071942.post-16716977215438627902008-04-29T10:19:00.000-05:002008-04-29T10:19:00.000-05:00Speaking of which, I was going to start a Rhetoric...Speaking of which, I was going to start a Rhetoric Wiki (Rhetoriki) and collected 100 pages of notes from the comprehensive exam, and another 100 pages or so from an excellent survey of Rhetoric, which would be useful for seeding the wiki. It's already set up but hasn't been transfered to it's own domain yet: http://rhetoriki.davidhoff.info<BR/><BR/>I'll read your riff on Lakoff, and if you are interested in the Rhetoriki Wiki, send me an email and I will forward the notes I have, and maybe we can collaborte on getting them "seeded". We can talk more about it...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3931921496989071942.post-39539763378004612472008-04-29T10:06:00.000-05:002008-04-29T10:06:00.000-05:00Thanks. Sorry if I was strident and saucy. I used ...Thanks. Sorry if I was strident and saucy. I used to hand out business cards with "Phd Candidate" written on it...perhaps he doth protest too much. Irony, and humor, has gotten me into enough spats that I refuse to use MSN or instant messangers.<BR/><BR/>To be honest, I was just surprised anybody read the article, let alone commented on it! :)<BR/><BR/>No, I did not intend to call Lakoff "professer" (with an 'e'). You might have noticed my tendancy for typos. My hand-writing is even worse. But I've survived this long on discovery by happy accident (serendipity), so why cry over spelt melk?<BR/><BR/>I really like web development, and collaboration tools. The Naked Writer site started out of a desire to try hosting my own Wiki. It's taught me that it's much harder to expose your writting to the public than I imagines--I have more respect for journalists who work under tight deadlines.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3931921496989071942.post-64588137815991255122008-04-28T05:51:00.000-05:002008-04-28T05:51:00.000-05:00Wow, David!Thanks for coming over here and blowing...Wow, David!<BR/><BR/>Thanks for coming over here and blowing your dog whistle. <BR/><BR/>@woof!<BR/><BR/>I get it. Bravo. Really, I'm quite impressed with your comment and your question, and take your pokes back at me with much admiration. Literary, rhetorical, and a great example of good writing.<BR/><BR/>@touché!<BR/><BR/>Thanks for declaring yourself as thenakedwriter (even if you're like the emperor with clothes on). Sincerely, that's a spectacular web site. Congrats. I look forward to your longer sermon on Senator Obama. (Did you see <A HREF="http://speakeristic.blogspot.com/2007/12/womanism-fascism-and-de-translation.html" REL="nofollow">my longer riff</A> on Professor Lakoff? Is he intentionally "professer" (sp.?) to you?)<BR/><BR/>Now, you've made me rethink "weird" all over again. But I do hear you about the needs for a less weird feminist rhetoric definition qua definition. Pondering at the moment how far down your "forest path" to wander.<BR/><BR/>Thank you very much for visiting here. Makes me think I'd like to hear more from you. All the best, and again, sincerely!J. K. Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07600312868663460988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3931921496989071942.post-59758201825805078722008-04-27T17:34:00.000-05:002008-04-27T17:34:00.000-05:00You must have followed a link to my portfolio to f...You must have followed a link to my portfolio to find that I've t.a.'d for Lit courses. Was it meant as a put-down to say I've T.a.'d for a few "literature" classes? You seemed to neatly exclude that my B.a and M.a are both in <I>rhetoric</I> and professional writing, and that I listed being a T.a.'d for a few courses on genres in business and academic writing. But I didn't include my Phd experience on the resume, considering, until the dissertation is done it doesn't count for much, does it? Did you see cute little "forest path" cartoon I made for Showalter's work charting the "wilderness" of feminist criticism?<BR/><BR/>"Dog whistle" is a common term in advertising as well as academic analysis of advertising--see James B. Twitchel's work, professor of English and Advertising at University of Florida.<BR/><BR/>Keneth Burke, the rhetorical theorist, coined the phrase "terministic screens" to describe the way words select, reflect, and deflect meaning. I've used "reflecting (and refracting)" to convey it without the isocolon, but if I was writing in a scholarly genre, I'd be sure to squeeze in more citations to please the academic crowd. Are you saying that language does not "reflect and refract" meaning? Or that Burke's notion of terministic screens is somehow antagonistic to "rhetoric"? Please correct me. <BR/><BR/>The pun, about playing two lines of Obama's speech backward, refered to: "the american people are hungry for this <B>message of unity</B>. Despite <B>temptations</B>..." (In other words, 'despite temptations...we hunger for the message of [Trinity United] unity". I'm sorry my irony wasn't stable enough. But as Wayne Booth writes in A Rhetoric of Irony, irony must always have victims, but “the building of amiable communities<BR/>is often far more important than the exclusion of naïve victims”.<BR/><BR/>You use a lot of quotation marks, so that your "irony" can't be distinguished from citations. I know I've ever used the phrase "nasty rhetoric" in my life. Are you refering to the common treatment of rhetoric as "mere rhetoric"? Maybe your scholarly instincts lapsed. At least you spelled my name right. <BR/><BR/>People might start to think Obama's an elitist or something, if it's "weird" to write about his sermonic rhetoric in anything but scholarly style. I don't advocate a view of rhetoric as "mere rhetoric", but I do think it's meretricious to imply, "I'm a Phd. candidate, and therefor an authority on the meaning of 'rhetoric'". <BR/><BR/>I guess my question to you is, what is rhetoric in your mind? Is it Aristotle's definition? Cicero's? Quintilians? Isocrate's? St. Augustine's? Francis Bacon's? I.A. Richard's? Richard Weaver's? Wayne Booth's? Lloyd Bitzer's? Jacques Derrida's? Andrea Lunsford's? Marc Fumaroli's? It's hard to tell because the deserving "analysis" you promise was just a jumble of quotes mixed with your ironic "quotes".<BR/><BR/>Good luck on your dissertation, Gayle. What the world needs now is more scholarship on Aristotle and Feminism that defies being "weird". I know that blogging is a way to break writers block and even to "vent", because Phd. life can be crazy. If you want to chew on something, I just started a longer version of the Obama article...check back in a week or so: http://www.thenakedwriter.com<BR/><BR/>David HoffAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com